Thanks yodaddy. Those two elements were what I had to work with seeings how they were there for the last 20yrs. I wanted to breath new life on my arm for the next half of my life. Not ideal for sure, but better than the stand alones they used to be. I have a koi on the inside of the arm that I love. It’s the out side with the old tats that I’m looking for opinions such as yours on. Plus, I had concernes eirlier about some black elements being to dark. I was told to give it time. They have faded quite a bit.