#40662
    gawj1512
    Participant
      @gawj1512

    Hey guys, sorry I haven’t posted in a while. I had a half sleeve drawn up recently to include some tiny intricate details that is to be done by a very capable apprentice. I showed it to another artist, who’s been in the game 40 odd years and he told me no way to have anything done that small as it would bleed out. The apprentice’s mentor says it’s fine to go ahead. Now what!? Stuck in the middle of the opinions of 3 artists, 1 with 40yrs experience, 1 with 10/15yrs experience and 1 with 2yrs experience. All of whom, in my opinion, are equally good artists.

    #142475
    poxphobia
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      @poxphobia

    Well, you have a few things to consider here. Has the apprentice or mentor ever done anything similar?
    A LOT has changed in 40 years. What was impossible to imagine 40 years ago, is common today. The tattoo industry changes, machines have changed, ink has changed, techniques have been improved, hell, needles have changed!
    You can do tiny tiny work with one needle. It is possible, and I’ve seen it myself. You do however, need a very good artist. I’d never leave it in the hands of an apprentice, unless it’s something they specialize in and have done, successfully, several times before.

    Ask to see HEALED pics of work they have done with similar amounts of detail.

    I know wonderful artists who have worked for 20-30 years, and they are great at what they do, but however, they haven’t kept up. They might never be able to do what certain apprentices learn early on today.

    It’s probably completely possible, the question is if the artist you have chosen, can do it 🙂

    #142476
    peterpoose
    Participant
      @peterpoose

    @poxphobia 130754 wrote:

    Well, you have a few things to consider here. Has the apprentice or mentor ever done anything similar?
    A LOT has changed in 40 years. What was impossible to imagine 40 years ago, is common today. The tattoo industry changes, machines have changed, ink has changed, techniques have been improved, hell, needles have changed!
    You can do tiny tiny work with one needle. It is possible, and I’ve seen it myself. You do however, need a very good artist. I’d never leave it in the hands of an apprentice, unless it’s something they specialize in and have done, successfully, several times before.

    Ask to see HEALED pics of work they have done with similar amounts of detail.

    I know wonderful artists who have worked for 20-30 years, and they are great at what they do, but however, they haven’t kept up. They might never be able to do what certain apprentices learn early on today.

    It’s probably completely possible, the question is if the artist you have chosen, can do it 🙂

    I think she said it all, not much I can add really 🙂


    A map I have made of great artists around the world – http://thebragartlist.mobuapps.london/
    #142479
    gawj1512
    Participant
      @gawj1512

    @poxphobia 130754 wrote:

    Well, you have a few things to consider here. Has the apprentice or mentor ever done anything similar?
    A LOT has changed in 40 years. What was impossible to imagine 40 years ago, is common today. The tattoo industry changes, machines have changed, ink has changed, techniques have been improved, hell, needles have changed!
    You can do tiny tiny work with one needle. It is possible, and I’ve seen it myself. You do however, need a very good artist. I’d never leave it in the hands of an apprentice, unless it’s something they specialize in and have done, successfully, several times before.

    Ask to see HEALED pics of work they have done with similar amounts of detail.

    I know wonderful artists who have worked for 20-30 years, and they are great at what they do, but however, they haven’t kept up. They might never be able to do what certain apprentices learn early on today.

    It’s probably completely possible, the question is if the artist you have chosen, can do it 🙂

    Thank you for your response! The guy who started 40yrs ago is still working today, is it worth me naming? The piece I’ve had drawn up has tiny silhouettes amongst other things, of Peter Pan characters flying through the sky, the smallest of which may not be more than 1.5cm wide, I’ve been told will just be a blob in years to come.. it’s very worrying x

    #142480
    peterpoose
    Participant
      @peterpoose

    @gawj1512 130758 wrote:

    Thank you for your response! The guy who started 40yrs ago is still working today, is it worth me naming? The piece I’ve had drawn up has tiny silhouettes amongst other things, of Peter Pan characters flying through the sky, the smallest of which may not be more than 1.5cm wide, I’ve been told will just be a blob in years to come.. it’s very worrying x

    Could you throw the links up to all 3 of their works?


    A map I have made of great artists around the world – http://thebragartlist.mobuapps.london/
    #142481
    gawj1512
    Participant
      @gawj1512

    @peterpoose 130759 wrote:

    Could you throw the links up to all 3 of their works?

    Sure!

    This is the guy (Marc Fairclough, Scribble Ink) with the 35/40yrs experience
    https://www.facebook.com/tattooistinessex?viewer_id=660388318

    This is the guy (Oz, Sinister Scrawlings) with 10/15yrs experience
    https://www.facebook.com/SinisterScrawlings?fref=ts

    This is his apprentice who has done my drawing (not sure if I can post due to copyright?)
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kina-Turner-Tattoos/123843127789969?fref=ts

    #142482
    peterpoose
    Participant
      @peterpoose

    @gawj1512 130760 wrote:

    Sure!

    This is the guy (Marc Fairclough, Scribble Ink) with the 35/40yrs experience
    https://www.facebook.com/tattooistinessex?viewer_id=660388318

    This is the guy (Oz, Sinister Scrawlings) with 10/15yrs experience
    https://www.facebook.com/SinisterScrawlings?fref=ts

    This is his apprentice who has done my drawing (not sure if I can post due to copyright?)
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kina-Turner-Tattoos/123843127789969?fref=ts

    They all look pretty decent to me.

    People do say that very fine detail will get lost as the ink spreads as it gets older. I am not an expert in this and I dont think anybody really knows enough about it now days with the many changes whether this will happen or not.

    If it was me I would trust my own jud